Monday, April 4, 2011

( BOTH ) JUSTIN & TRYPHO ACKNOWLEDGE CHRIST AS A "...MADE..." OR "...CREATED..." BEING

Refering to Jesus – Justin Martyr wrote:

GREEK TEXT: “...καὶ [3.] διὰ Σολομῶνος φήσαντος ταῦτα· Ἐὰν ἀναγγείλω ὑμῖν τὰ καθ' ἡμέραν γινόμενα, μνημονεύσω τὰ ἐξ αἰῶνος ἀριθμῆσαι. κύριος ἔκτισέ με ἀρχὴν ὁδῶν αὐτοῦ εἰς ἔργα αὐτοῦ. πρὸ τοῦ αἰῶνος ἐθεμελίωσέ με ἐν ἀρχῇ...” - (Dial. Chapter 61:3)

JUSTIN MARTYR (c. 110 to 165 C.E.): “...when He speaks by Solomon the following: 'If I shall declare to you what happens daily, I shall call to mind events from everlasting, and review them. THE LORD MADE ME the beginning of His ways for His works...” - (Dial. Chapter 61:3; Roberts & Donalson ANF)

Gk., ( ἔκτισέ ) more correctly translated: “...THE LORD ( CREATED ) ME...”

Which Trypho acknowledged he understood Justins comments and agreed that Christ was "...CREATED..." in the context:

GREEK TEXT: “...Καὶ [1.] ὁ Τρύφων· Ἔστω ὑμῶν, τῶν ἐξ ἐθνῶν, κύριος καὶ Χριστὸς καὶ θεὸς γνωριζόμενος, ὡς αἱ γραφαὶ σημαίνουσιν, οἵτινες καὶ ἀπὸ τοῦ ὀνόματος αὐτοῦ Χριστιανοὶ καλεῖσθαι πάντες ἐσχήκατε· ἡμεῖς δέ, τοῦ θεοῦ τοῦ καὶ αὐτὸν τοῦτον ποιήσαντος λατρευταὶ ὄντες, οὐ δεόμεθα τῆς ὁμολογίας αὐτοῦ οὐδὲ τῆς προσκυνήσεως...” - (Dial. LXIV:I)

JUSTIN MARTYR (c. 110 to 165 C.E.): “...Grant Him,” replied Trypho, “to be, as the Scriptures declare, [Gk., Kurios = anathorus] the Lord, and Christ, and [Gk., theos = anathorus] God, of you Gentiles, who also are, all of you, termed Christians from His name, yet His confesssion and worship are not incumbent on us, who are the servants of THE GOD WHO CREATED HIM...” - (Dial. Cahpter 64:1; The Works Now Extant Of Justin Martyr – A LIBRARY OF THE FATHERS OF THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH: Anterior To The Division Of The East & West – Translated By Members Of The English Church. [1800's])

JUSTIN MARTYR (c. 110 to 165 C.E.): “...You who come from the Gentiles," said Trypho, "who are all called Christians from His name, may profess Him to be [Gk., Kurios = anathorus] Lord and Christ and [Gk., theos = anathorus] God, as the Scriptures signify, but we Jews, who adore THE GOD WHO MADE HIM, are not obliged to confess or worship Him...” - (Dial. Chapter 64:1; Kevin Edgecomes Translation)

JUSTIN MARTYR (c. 110 to 165 C.E.): “...Here Trypho said, "Let Him be recognised as [Gk., Kurios = anathorus] Lord and Christ and [Gk., theos = anathorus] God, as the Scriptures declare, by you of the Gentiles, who have from His name been all called Christians; but we who are servants OF GOD THAT MADE THIS SAME [CHRIST], do not require to confess or worship Him." ...” - (CHAPTER LXIV:I -- JUSTIN ADDUCES OTHER PROOFS TO THE JEW, WHO DENIES THAT HE NEEDS THIS CHRIST. Roberts & Donaldsons ANF)