Monday, April 4, 2011

MORE ANF TAMPERING = JUSTIN MARTYRS INFERIOR GOD UNDER THE FATHER MADE TRINITARIANS VERY UNCOMFORTABLE

Notice the following admission of ANF tampering:

First Bull's own translation:

JUSTIN MARTYR (c. 110 to 165 C.E.): “...Moreover, in p. 275. C.[k], he says: “...I will endeavour to convince you, who know the Scriptures, that ( Another ) is, and is called, 'God' and 'Lord,' ( UNDER ) Him[l.] who is the Maker of all things...” - (Page 696, APPENDIX, Dial. Chapter 56. DEFENSIO FIDEI NICAENAE Vol 4. By Bishop George Bull)

Notice the admission in the footnotes:

[FOOTNOTE K]: STEPHENS & GRABES EMENDED GREEK TEXT: “...πειράσομαι ὑμᾶς πεῖσαι, νοήσαντας τὰς γραφάς, ὅτι ἐστὶ καὶ λέγεται θεὸς καὶ κύριος ἕτερος [ l. ὑπὲρ ] τὸν ποιητὴν τῶν ὅλων...” - [Chapter 56. p. 151.]

[FOOTNOTE L]: “...The reading ( introduced ) by Stephens, ( without MSS authority ) was ( ὑπὲρ ); this Grabe followed, translating it “praeter,” besides ; but as Dr. Burton noticed instead of ( ὑπὲρ ) the Benedictine editor restored ( ὑπὸ ) from the MSS. This is followed in the translation...”

= An admission of textual tampering.

TRUE GREEK TEXT: “...Οἱ δὲ ἔφασαν νενοηκέναι μέν, μηδὲν δὲ ἔχειν εἰς ἀπόδειξιν τοὺς λελεγμένους λόγους ὅτι θεὸς ἢ κύριος ἄλλος τίς ἐστιν ἢ λέλεκται ἀπὸ τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος παρὰ τὸν ποιητὴν τῶν ὅλων. Κἀγὼ πάλιν· Ἃ λέγω πειράσομαι ὑμᾶς πεῖσαι, νοήσαντας τὰς γραφάς, ὅτι ἐστὶ καὶ λέγεται θεὸς καὶ κύριος ἕτερος ὑπὸ τὸν ποιητὴν τῶν ὅλων, ὃς καὶ ἄγγελος καλεῖται, διὰ τὸ ἀγγέλλειν τοῖς ἀνθρώποις ὅσαπερ βούλεται αὐτοῖς ἀγγεῖλαι ὁ τῶν ὅλων ποιητής, ὑπὲρ ὃν ἄλλος θεὸς οὐκ ἔστι...” - (Dial. Chapter 56. Goodspeed Greek Text)

JUSTIN MARTYR (c. 110 to 165 C.E.):...That one is spoken of as ( ἄλλος ) another numerically, a god, also a lord, from of the spirit of holiness ( παρὰ ) besides the Maker of the entire universe. … because this particular one is called a god and a lord, [yet] is ( ἕτερος ) another numerically of a differen't kind and quality - being ( ὑπὸ ) INFERIOR TO the Maker of the entire universe, who is also called an Angel, ( διὰ ) through whom messages to mankind are announced [concerning] whatever is willed by the Maker of the entire universe, over whom there is no ( ἄλλος ) other god numerically of the same kind and quality...” (Dial. Chapter 56. Translated by Matt13weedhacker 7/2/11)
[FOOTNOTE]: ( ἄλλος ) and ( ἕτερος ) are translated ( freely ) and ( contextually ) not according to any hard and fast definition or self-imposed rule. Sometimes the numerical aspect of ( ἄλλος ) is highlighted only – because the context demands nothing more, but at other times in another context its full meaning and difference of ( ἕτερος ) and ( ἄλλος ) in kind and quality is highlighted in addition to the numerical aspect.
[FOOTNOTE]: ( ἄλλος ) and ( ἕτερος ) are contrasted in this passage. Otherwise Justin involves himself in gross self contradiction.

Compare:

JUSTIN MARTYR (c. 110 to 165 C.E.): "...Then," I replied, "since you understand these quotations from Scripture, I will attempt to prove my assertion, namely, that there exists and is mentioned in Scripture another God and Lord UNDER the Creator of all things, who is also called an Angel, because He proclaims to man whatever the Creator of the world -- above whom there is no other God -- wishes to reveal to them..." - (Dial. Chapter 56. Kevin Edgecome Translation)

JUSTIN MARTYR (c. 110 to 165 C.E.): "...Then I replied, “I shall attempt to persuade you, since you have understood the Scriptures, [of the truth] of what I say, that there is, and that there is said to be, another God and Lord  SUBJECT TO [2127] the Maker of all things; who is also called an Angel, because He announces to men whatsoever the Maker of all things—above whom there is no other God—wishes to announce to them...” - (Dial. Chapter 56. Roberts & Donaldsons ANF)
[FOOTNOTE 2127]: Some, “besides;” but probably as above.



JUSTIN MARTYR (c. 110 to 165 C.E.): “...I shall attempt to persuade you, since you have understood the Scriptures, of the truth of what I say, that there is, and that there is said to be, another God and Lord SUBJECT TO THE MAKER OF ALL THINGS...” - (Dial. Chapter 54:6. Sparks Translation Page 223.)


Trinitarians attempted to change Justin Martyrs obvious doctrine of SUBORDINATION & INFERIORITY of the Son to the Almighty Father.

A part of the History of the TRINITY doctrine no doubt you never knew before, but need to know in order to find out the TRUTH.