Sunday, October 24, 2010

(Part 2) THREE ANCIENT TRINITARIAN HISTORIANS SAY ORIGEN BELIEVED JESUS WAS CREATED


NOTE:
First I would like to say I am NOT representing Origen as a Jehovahs Witness or believing all that we believe. He did depart from the patern of healthful words as found in the Bible.

But none-the-less, he did say the following:

GREEK TEXT: (Οὗτος δὴ ὁ υἱὸς ἐκ θελή-ματος τοῦ πατρὸς ἐγενήθη, «ὅς ἐστιν εἰκὼν τοῦ θεοῦ τοῦ ἀοράτου» καὶ «ἀπαύγασμα τῆς δόξης αὐτοῦ χαρακτήρ τε τῆς ὑποστάσεως αὐτοῦ», «πρω-τότοκος πάσης κτίσεως», κτίσμα, σοφία·..." - (See Above Origen Concordance no" (51x), Fragmenta De Principiis)

ORIGEN OF ALEXANDRIA: "...the Son of God ... 'THE FIRST-BORN OF ALL CREATION, A THING CREATED, WISDOM,'..." - (Origen, De. Prin. 4.4.1, translation by Jaroslav Pelikan. See Christian Tradition, Vol. 1, p. 191)

Notice the Greek word (κτίσμα).

What does
(κτίσμα) actually mean?
"...(κτίσμα) 1 κτίζω anything created, a creature, NTest. 1 kti/sma, atos, to/..." - Liddell and Scott. An Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon. Oxford. Clarendon Press. 1889.
Notice the Greek suffix or word ending (-μα). Word endings in Greek are important, let's see what this one means:
"...3. The result of an action is indicated by -μα (3)..." - Lexical Aids For Students of New testament Greek, Third Edition, Fifth Printing September 2002, Page 43.
The action meant here is that of "creation"! Meaning Greek "the Son" was acted upon by a Creator with the result being the production of a "creature."


ORIGEN OF ALEXANDRIA (185 to 254 C.E.): "...In the beginning God made the Heavens and the Earth. 1 What is the beginning of all things except our Lord and "Savior of all," Jesus Christ "THE FIRST-BORN OF [ALL] EVERY [CREATION] CREATURE"..." - (HOMILY I.1 Homilies on Genesis and Exodus. by Ronald E. Heine - transltr, Origen - author. Publisher: Catholic University of America Press. Place of Publication: Washington, DC. Publication Year: 1982. Page Number: iii.)

LATIN TEXT: "...Quid est omnium principium nisi dominus noster et salvator omnium Christus Jesus, primo-genitus omnis creaturae..." - (Homilies In Genesis 1. QUITE LIKELY RUFINUS VERSION)

ORIGEN OF ALEXANDRIA (185 to 254 C.E.): "...What is the beginning of all things unless it be our Lord, the saviour of all, Jesus Christ, THE FIRST-BORN OF ALL CREATURES..." - (As Quoted in: "Justin Martyr" - By Eric Francis Osborn Subheading: The Logos., The first-born, Page 29)

ORIGEN OF ALEXANDRIA (185 to 254 C.E.): “...Thus says the Lord of powers, we frequently read; there are certain CREATURES, rational and divine, which are called powers: and ( OF ) THESE CHRIST WAS THE HIGHEST AND BEST, and is called not only the WISDOM OF GOD but also His power...” - (Commentary on John Book I Chapter 42.)

GREEK TEXT: "...118. Καὶ ἐὰν ἐπιμελῶς ἐξετάζωμεν αὐτοῦ πάσας τὰς ἐπινοίας, μόνον κατὰ τὸ εἶναι σοφία ἀρχή ἐστιν, οὐδὲ κατὰ τὸ εἶναι λόγος ἀρχὴ τυγχάνων, εἴγε «ὁ λόγος ἐν ἀρχῇ» ἦν· ὡς εἰπεῖν ἄν τινα τεθαρρηκότως πρεσβύτερον πάντων τῶν ἐπινοουμένων ταῖς ὀνομασίαις τοῦ πρωτοτόκου πάσης κτίσεώς ἐστιν ἡ σοφία..." (ΩΡΙΓΕΝΟΥΣ ΤΩΝ ΕΙΣ ΤΟ ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ ΕΥΑΓΓΕΛΙΟΝ ΕΞΗΓΗΤΙΚΩΝ; ΤΟΜΟΣ Α’)

ORIGEN OF ALEXANDRIA (185 to 254 C.E.): "...THE OLDEST OF CREATED BEINGS..." (Commentary i, 111-115[118], in John)

ORIGEN OF ALEXANDRIA (185 to 254 C.E.): "...ἄλλα μὲν ἔδοξε σέβειν τοῖς πρεσβυτέροις, τὸν Σάραπιν δὲ τοῖς χθὲς καὶ πρώην ἀρξαμένοις, τὸν οὐ πώποτε γενόμενον θεόν, προσκυνεῖν· οὐ παρὰ τοῦτο καὶ ἡμεῖς νέον τὸν οὐ πρότερον ὄντα θεὸν οὐδὲ γνωσθέντα τοῖς ἀνθρώποις φήσομεν εἶναι. Ὁ δὲ τοῦ θεοῦ υἱός, ὁ «πρωτότοκος πάσης κτίσεως», εἰ καὶ νεωστὶ ἐνηνθρωπηκέναι ἔδοξεν, ἀλλ' οὔτι γε διὰ τοῦτο νέος ἐστί. Πρεσβύτατον γὰρ αὐτὸν πάντων τῶν δημιουργημάτων ἴσασιν οἱ θεῖοι λόγοι, καὶ αὐτῷ τὸν θεὸν περὶ τῆς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου δημιουργίας εἰρηκέναι· «Ποιήσωμεν ἄνθρωπον κατ' εἰκόνα καὶ ὁμοίωσιν ἡμετέραν..." (Against Celsus Chapter 5 Τόμος πέμπτος

ORIGEN OF ALEXANDRIA (185 to 254 C.E.): "...while their modern descendants have begun quite recently to pay reverence to Scrapis, who never was a god at all, we shall not on that account assert that a new being who was not formerly a god, nor at all known to men, is a deity. For the Son of God, "the First-born of all creation," although He seemed recently to have become incarnate, is not by any means on that account recent. For the holy Scriptures know Him to be THE MOST ANCIENT OF ALL THE WORKS CREATION; for it was to Him that God said regarding the creation of man, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness." (Contra Celsus BOOK V. CHAP. XXXVII.)

ORIGEN OF ALEXANDRIA (185 to 254 C.E.): "...(Contra Celsum L. V. Page 257) "For the Son of God, the firstborn of every creature, altho' he seems to have been incarnate but very lately, yet therefore he is not a late Being; for the sacred Oracles own him to be THE ANCIENTEST OF ALL CREATURES..." (William Whiston Primative Christianity Revived Vol 4 Page 154)

William Whiston also makes these interesting remarks:

WILLIAM WHISTON: "...Theses last words the Bishop [Bull] renders thus, to serve his own purpose: (Novit enim hunc Sacra Scriptura creaturis omnibus vetustiorem) "Ancienter than all creatures". But the learned Spencer, in his excellent edition, more faithfully: (Novit enim hunc Sacra Scriptura e creaturis omnibus vetustissunum) "THE ANCIENTEST OF ALL CREATUREST"..." (William Whiston Primative Christianity Revived Vol 4 Page 154)